Comments on: XML aware front-ends and the talented MS Silverlight http://synodinos.net/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/ Inside every large post is a small post struggling to get out. Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:43:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: ... and Gosling said: "You can use JavaFX for anything that you would use AJAX for" « thoughts.iterator() http://synodinos.net/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-290 Tue, 08 May 2007 11:40:13 +0000 http://synodinos.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-290 [...] up the news of yet another RIA product TM from Sun hit us. Only a short period of time after MS announced Silverlight, Sun seems to have rebranded the internal F3 project into something that looks like a declarative [...]

]]> By: Athanasios http://synodinos.net/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-267 Thu, 03 May 2007 11:49:47 +0000 http://synodinos.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-267 -About the VM size: The Java side is also well aware of this. I don’t know how important it is nowadays, but anyway there are already thoughts on creating a small JVM.
-About SVG. When adobe acquired macromedia, suddenly they had two competing products on their hands. So they tried to pull the plug on SVG. But the fact is, there were already solid implemenations like firefox, apache batik, opera, libsvg etc. SVG is here, they can’t make it disappear.
-I agree wholeheartedly on your third argument.

]]> By: Dionysios Synodinos http://synodinos.net/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-265 Thu, 03 May 2007 11:08:20 +0000 http://synodinos.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-265 A few quick comments:

- The plugin is very small compared to Java. Besides that it will propably come with windows update in the near future or maybe built-in the next version of windows (assuming there will be one).

- I find your opinion on SVG valid but we both understand what happened when Adobe abandoned it (for Flex..?)

- What I feel Silverlight will bring is the easiness of development that accompanies most MS technologies. A plugin for Visual Studio can streamline RIA development :)

]]> By: Athanasios http://synodinos.net/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-263 Wed, 02 May 2007 21:01:37 +0000 http://synodinos.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/xml-aware-front-ends-and-the-talented-ms-silverlight/#comment-263 D’oh, my mind is almost filled with acronyms. Anyway, if memory serves, XAML is more or less an XML schema to describe applications’ workflows and user interfaces. So, a few random thoughts on silverlight.

Another XML schema for UIs. Why, didn’t we have XUL for, like, 4 years? Is this gonna be different? Could someone in the know please elaborate?
Another browser plugin? Aren’t we using enough plugins already? Java has been around for like, a decade and people still refuse to install the JRE. How are they going to install this CLR plugin? Oh wait, that one’s coming preinstalled with windows, right?
This one is going to be searchable. Like all other XML based technologies that were around for quite some time. Should I be impressed?
That one’s got vector graphics. SVG anyone? Is there a real reason to have yet another vector graphics engine inside our browser? Firefox and Opera have got a native implementation already. That means no plugins. Some cellphones already implement a tiny SVG subset suitable for mobile devices. Hold the presses, here comes VML V2 (capital V on purpose).
This one is going to be cross platform. Well, sort of. For the time being, only MacOSX and Windows.

I am not sure that this is correct, but I didn’t feel that Silverlight provides something really new or at least something that we can’t do with a recent version of Firefox. We already got XmlHttpRequest and AJAX, toolkits like GWT, SVG, Canvas, XUL, and Javascript. Oh, and Flash in most cases. Of course, as always, the devil is in the details. Maybe its just better integrated into one big happy product. Will people want to adopt it? Or will they want to adopt similar products like Flex for that matter? What do you think?

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